The comments on the previous post brought up a good point about BBQ's. The basic gist of the situation is that the condo rules prohibit grills on individual decks. However, numerous residents have put grills out without shame.
I understand the point of the rule is to prevent idiots (like myself) from burning the entire building down. I enjoy a good BBQ and will probably use it every day for a week during the summer. I think the spirit in which the rule was written (cut & paste from a template that Vulcan found online) really apply to charcoal grills which carry the highest risk of burning down building. Most BBQ's these days are gas which, barring a bullet being shot through the tank, are pretty darn safe. It's easy to turn them off and there's no large uncontrollable fire.
I believe it is safe to put a small gas grill on your deck and bbq away. Just make sure you cover it up when you're done to prevent the neighborhood snitch from ratting you out. Then again, it's a bit difficult to mask the smell of teriyaki chicken shish kebobs.
If you plan to put a gas grill on your deck, don't get one of those huge obnoxious "suburban assualt" grills that you can buy from Home Depot. You don't need 10,000 BTU's. You need a small grill that won't take up your entire deck.
Anyway, go ahead and get your grills since summer is supposedly coming soon. If you get heat from management (no pun intended), just tell them Chucky said it was ok.
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Screw the rules...I never read my homeowner book because this is my place and I can do whatever I want. I installed my grill a couple months ago. If management comes, I will go WACO on their ass.
WRT the multitude of different Barbeques that would be necessary to accomodate everyone I wonder if our pleas will fall upon deaf ears.
I'm sure that someone will come in and say something like "just use a grill brush after you're finished".
I wonder how a Hasidic Jew would feel about that. I havent seen anyone wearing rekelekh and shtreimel or donning payoths. But wouldn't we want to make them feel welcome if they decided to become part of our happy family?
We are a multiethnic community and I can certainly tell you that I wouldn't want to grill up a nice veal chop after someone has cooked their mutton or some other freaky kind of food.
I pray that their aren't a bunch of PETA activists here because I sure do like my veal. After all, wouldn't you rather eat a cute animal than a big ugly one?
Could the forced use of a community barbeque infringe on someones freedom of religious practice?
I think that this can be solved by just taking your suggestion of low butane rating gas grills and allowing them on decks. After all, aren't these buildings concrete and steel? When I look up at the deck above mine I don't see anything that is in danger of catching fire.
Come on baby, light my fire!!!
Please read your Rules and Regulations. On Page 4, Section IV, Limited Common Areas, Decks and Terraces: "Except for Open Terraces or Decks with a natural gas outlet approved by the Fire Department, the use of Outdoor Grills on Covered Terraces is not permitted.
So if you have an OPEN Terrace, you can BBQ away Baby!!!
What exactly is an open terrace? Example pls
Taken from Dictionary.com
"an open platform, as projecting from the outside wall of an apartment; a large balcony."
BBQ away!
Here is a picture of a closed terrace.
http://www.ephotozine.com/photo/6445
I don't see any of those around here.
"What exactly is an open terrace?"
A balcony with nothing over the top of it, e.g, no roof. These are typically only found on the top floor of condos. If you don't have a balcony above you, fire up the grill.
most definitions refer to open terraces in many ways...such as a patio, references to terraced land, etc.. I haven't come across one that states explicitly that it is a deck without another deck above it. So IMHO, the only people without terraces are the ones that are in the studio type units or others sans decks.
"So IMHO, the only people without terraces are the ones that are in the studio type units or others sans decks."
LOL! Let's read the rule again:
"Except for Open Terraces or Decks with a natural gas outlet approved by the Fire Department, the use of Outdoor Grills on Covered Terraces is not permitted.
You admitted above that terraces = decks. Unless your decks have a natural gas outlet approved by the Fire Department, you'd better invest in a JennAir.
The only open terrace at 2200 is the roof, where an overhead fire suppression system is a non-issue.
If residents want to get to the bottom of this, call CWD or the Fire department -- but they won't, because they want to use the slightest ambiguity to ignore the rules that were established for the protection of the community.
well then Peckhammer...why dont you start busting all the people that aren't following the rules.
Be the complex snitch!
It would make you feel good wouldn't it?
Peckerhead is just a tool. I've seen him around various condo/housing blogs. F*** the rules and f*** you.
Peckhammer misses an important point. The rules do not explicitly outlaw bbq grills. The point the blogger is making is that the rules are murky at best.
"Peckhammer misses an important point. The rules do not explicitly outlaw bbq grills."
I guess you missed this: "I repeat: Gas Grills are O.K. as long as you have an approved natural gas line installed on the balcony/deck/terrace and the grill uses that line as its fuel source."
However, there are Fire Department rules that apply to grill and propane use on the balcony/deck/terrace of a high rise multi-resident dwelling. If the HOA rules are less restrictive than the FD rules, the specific HOA rule is superseded by the FD rule.
"The point the blogger is making is that the rules are murky at best."
No, the point the blogger is making is that the rules don't apply to him, only to others.
What I find ironic about the Blogger at 2200Life is his brandishing of the HOA rules over a few items left in a parking space, followed by his disregard for the rules over a public safety issue:
Stuff left in a parking space:
�This [crap] has been sitting in this space for about a month now, despite a warning from the property management that it�s against HOA rules, which prohibit any storage in the parking spaces.�
Propane cylinders on decks:
�I don�t think it�s relevant to call CWD or management, since they�re naturally going to be more conservative. Plus, they don�t �own� the building at all. This is a condo, not a co-op, so I believe that what I do on my deck is OK.�
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